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A nite with Tina Dam from ICANN

Filed under: Domain Names — Olney at 2:02 am on Friday, October 19, 2007

IDNForums members had a very big surprise when Tina Dam the director of ICANN’s IDN program joined to graciously answer questions by members.

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/13914-welcome-tina.html

One of the biggest concerns to IDN members is why does the media portray IDN Domains as coming out in 2008 when together IDNF members have at least hundreds of thousands of IDN Domains & even fully functional IDN based sites.

Questions like

IDNF member:BWHHISC Why is that there is little mention of the fact by ICANN that IDNs are “live and working” today within the existing internet system?

Tina: That is a mistake and not the intention at all. We are well aware of the IDN implementation at the second level of various TLDs. The experience from this implementation and use is what is driving the IDN TLD development. I will try to see if we can find a way to make this more obvious.I expect this to be one of the longest threads on IDNF

You can join the discussion at

http://www.idnforums.com/forums/13914-welcome-tina.html

And it’s a unanimous feeling of security in knowing that one of the biggest group of IDN investors may have their voices heard.

I miay have to post this on the Japanese social groups to see if I could get questions I might not have thought of.

Again IDNF says thank you TIna.

Yahoo’s Site Expolorer becomes IDN Domain compatible

Filed under: Domain Names — Olney at 1:43 am on Friday, October 19, 2007

Yahoo’s site explorer since about March had a bug where you couldn’t explore sites developped with IDN domains nor could you even add them to your site list. The intial workaround was just to include your site with punycode instead of using the native unicode characters.

http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/ 

Since the reason update the way to input an IDN domain is just simply to put the domain in it’s native characters
for example
アニメ.com

Now you can just write your domains in Russian, Chinese, German, Japanese, Korean or whatever. Existing domains in punycode are ok but with this addition I found it doesn’t accept new sites punycode well anymore.

Who needs punycode anyway, I’ll be glad when all programs make Native language seemless with new applications.

Google Webmaster Central becomes IDN domain compatible

Filed under: Domain Names — Olney at 5:25 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2007

I just saw this on IDN Forums that Google Webmaster Central added IDN compatibility.

The main portion most users will be thankful it became IDN compatible is the Google sitemaps. It’s so much better for me to easily be able to see the native Japanese characters in my domains than to see punycode.

(Read on …)

Doubling Up IDNs & normal domains (Part 1)

Filed under: Domain Names — Olney at 3:50 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2007

I initially started buying domains to develop only. Initially I also registered domains hoping to create Japanese sites. My initial inspiration was just to build until I heard about the sale of celebrity.com for $1,000,000. I immediately thought of buying it in Japanese & registered geinojin.com & geinokai.com. The problem that I faced was that some wrote it as geinoujin, while others might write it as geinojin with no u in the middle. This was the first indication I had as a student studying Japanese that you can write a Japanese word in Latin letters but there will be various ways to write it. The mistypes will be varied. In Japanese there will usually be one way of writing the term.

So years later now I had the chance to start the IDN market off & I started to match IDNs with ASCII letters in Japanese. As my strategy evolved I realized there are certain terms that you can do well with both Japanese & nonJapanese letters.

1. Geo Domains
Recently I got into Geo Domains inspired by the Associated Cities Group. I started collecting the ASCII & IDN version of some Hotspots I know Japanese love to go.
In my collection I’ve collected
LosAngeles.jp, ロサンゼルス.jp, & ロス.jp (Last is short for Los)
Rome.jp, ローマ.jp (Yeah your boy owns Rome)
Cairo.jp & カイロ.jp (Only found out after buying it the IDN means Chiropractics too)
Atlanta.jp & アトランタ.jp (Won’t be used for a Geo site)
Why Both? Both provides the Japanese user & any potential advertiser in the target geo location a chance to view the site easily. You can even put up an English page with stats info etc.

To be continued later

Japan the hidden society

Filed under: Domain Names — Olney at 6:26 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2007

The IDN Domain is not so transparent to westerners (non Japanese). I think it really reflects how Japan is as a whole society. It’s actually pretty hidden right now (from westerners). I have my reasons for saying that.

I remember when I first came to Tokyo 12 years ago & heard about this area of Tokyo that was just great to hang out in. I only had 3 weeks so my assumption was a great place to hang out obviously would be great during the day, & quite obvious. I went there during the day on my first week, & it was completely dead. Streets were empty, nothing that a young 21 year old black American would be remotely interested in.

The first experience was the first week of my trip. The third week I ran into a guy I saw on TV there & he took me to the same area at nite, even better than that. What I saw on the street at nite wasn’t really interesting to me. He took me to a club inside of the 6th floor of a building, let’s just say it was one the best places I’ve been (at that age).

Japan in whole is just like this. From coming from Boston I would never assume to see the most luxurious places in Japan hidden inside of the 6th floor building. For Japanese it’s normal to not be transparent.

I’ve seen people use the same tactics as they would use for domaining for the Japanese market. Not in the context of what might be good to buy but seeing if the market is there.

Some may try to look at the very few Japanese domain forums to see if there is a domain market here.
Some may see that there are no reported domain sales going in DN Journal from Japan.
Some may think that they are seeing advertisements yet for IDN Domains..

Don’t expect to find Japanese on an open forum. There are other places where they are freely communicating about domains, it’s just not easy to see for nonJapanese.

Reported sales just look unnecessary at this time, also most of the companies selling domains here in Japan simply don’t care about the Western Market. There are two mid XX,XXX B2B transactions that I heard about this year.

Marketing people who run campaigns need data & guarantees before pitching things to clients. One thing that nonJapanese don’t do is search in Japanese. Currently Japanese who search for their company’s vital keywords are noticing other people are buying the IDNs for those keywords & ranking as well or even better than them. This is probably the biggest key factor to people doing research on IDNs right now. In my company I have team members who grasp this fully & are already telling clients about it, & unfortunately I have one coworker also who’s client’s competitor bought all the brand IDNs & is ranking in the top 6 spots because they bought the IDNs in different extensions.

The search value alone is high enough to make companies look for solutions to this. I expect 3 years from now half the URLs on the first pages on the search engines might be IDN Domains. We western IDNers have nothing to do with this either. We were just lucky enough to get in & buy some good premiums before natives opened their eyes. That gap for the Japanese market is now currently closed. They are aware.

The battle of the competing keywords, IDNs in the dot jp extensions being cheaper than buying dot coms for Japanese, & other changes remind me of those hidden places that a non Japanese wouldn’t expect. People telling me that dot jp cost $100 each, so they aren’t worth it really cracks me up, when I know registries in Japan only charge less than $7 for IDN dot jp…. & a campaign just ended where they were less than $4 each (and yes that is $4 USD).

oh a I have to say at the age of 21 the place went was so great because it was free, & clubs in Tokyo cost $30 entrance fee.

Lolipop Web Hostings offers IDN.jp at less than $4 a pop!!!

Filed under: Domain Names — Olney at 5:21 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2007

With the Japanese IDN market I like to look at it from a local user point of view. In my prior posts about what extensions where available I looked at some of the domain registration companies & what they offer. (Of The Domain Registries in Japan what do they offer in terms of IDN Domains?)This list of companies did not include one major hosting company that specifically caters to the average internet user.

This week I saw that Lolipop hosting has started to offer IDN Domains. Unfortunately I believe they cut a deal with JPRS because they only offer IDN.jp users can’t register IDN.coms. But the important thing is they are offering domains at a whopping 400 yen that’s less than $4 guys.

This price will only last until June 16th. I have about 250 dot jps so it’s not enough of a discount to make me register with them because theres no indication of what the price will be afterwards, but for the mass thousands of existing customers 400 yen is a price that’s tempting to get a second domain in your own language.

This is a great move by JPRS they have been cutting deals with popular registries & hosting companies that didn’t offer IDNs before to offer IDNs in the dot jp extension.

I expect a spike this month in registrations just like last month…

Lilipop’s domain registration service is http://muumuu-domain.com/

You can check the JP registration stats here

http://jprs.co.jp/en/stat/domains.html 

Japanese business’s wising up a bit

Filed under: Domain Names — Olney at 3:12 am on Monday, May 14, 2007

I recently registered a few good product names on May 1st in IDN.jp form. There was a close equivalent that starting showing up in Yahoo! Japan’s SERPs the same week. After seeing this one of the big competitors for this company immediately registered about 30 related domains to their products.

Right now in Japan it’s a time when product sellers are seeing the sites they created & are paying good money in PPC outranked in natural search by IDN sites. Even if the Japanese IDN comes in the top 5 to 10 spot it stands out like a sore thumb. The companies who aren’t familiar with IDNs immediately recognize them as new sites & they must be outranking them because of the keyword value.

Some may not desire to develop all that they buy but they are sure of one thing. My competitors won’t get these domains if I register the rest first. The smaller & more competitive companies will be able to buy up unregistered domains if they do it within this year (as free regs). Unfortunately the bigger companies will take more time & have to pay a higher price getting good domains in the aftermarket if they want them.

How to maximize the use of IDNs is still not 100% apparent to Japanese. I’m referring to the technical aspect, & even with marketing use. I’ve been getting a lot of questions recently from Japanese asking about potential, times, & how to use them effectively. These kinds of questions aren’t easy to answer without prior testing & data.

So one of the greatest inspiration for most business’s is simply copy what your competitor is doing even if you don’t understand it. I’m sure the guy who bought registered the 30 IDN dot jps would have dismissed the idea if told in April but seeing a competitor beat him for one of his main keywords was inspiration enough.

Nissan’s new TV commercial IDN campaign 艶やかコンパクト.com

Filed under: Domain Names — Olney at 8:16 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2007

Nissan has launched
a new TV campaign here in Japan & has chosen to use an IDN for users to access the site. Currently since they know Japanese users will search for the domain IDN domains plus EXT always come first on Yahoo! Japan

艶やかコンパクト.com

艶やかコンパクト.com

This is a first & this year companies started trying to add a searchbox to ads & commercials with suggested search keywords. One smart marketing person just realized why not just make the domain in Japanese. I didn’t think this would happen until closer to fall but someone got the jump it seems. I expect to see more campaigns like this by fall now.

Here is the announcement from Nissan’s Blog

http://blog.nissan.co.jp/TIIDA/2007/05/adeyaka.html 

москва.com Russian IDN Domain Moscow sells for $16,000

Filed under: Domain Names — Olney at 12:50 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2007

There’s a plenty healthy discussion about this one on IDNForums.com. The Russia domain for Moscow changed hands & the price was a modest $16,000. The domain was sold on Afternic & it introduces a new aspect of sales not happening on IDNF or even by members of IDNF.

I also wonder who the actual buyer was. The Afternic system changed recently to allow Afternic member’s domains get more exposure by also being listed in BuyDomains.com. Hopefully this gave a chance for more interested parties to acquire IDN domains, or purchase them in a setting they feel comfortable with. What ever the reason it was a good deal.

You can join the discussion from IDN Forums at
Russian IDN Moscow Sold for $16,000
The report was first published by DNJournal.com 

Someone most of told them

Filed under: Domain Names — Olney at 1:40 am on Thursday, April 12, 2007

I don’t reg too many domains lately, but I do browse a lot. I’m noticing a big increase in the number of Japanese registering IDN domains in the jp extension since December.

This chart shows the amounts of domains registered

http://jpinfo.jp/stats/domains.html 

One of the differences that I’m also noticing is Japanese are buying & developing. I credit this to Yahoo! Japan, & seeing IDN domains in the SERPs (Search Engine Results). Before people were registering them but almost all of them went on the shelf.

Basically right now we are entering the buy & develop mode for Japanese.

Let’s see who comes up with the first major IDN site, will it come by this year? If it does I can guess which companies will follow next year with new IDN based sites.

The reality is IDNs mean nothing, no matter how good the technology is if the average person doesn’t know it’s available.

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